WELCOME TO "KENTUCKY TONIGHT."

I'M RENEE SHAW.

THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

OUR TOPIC: ABORTION LAST FRIDAY THE U.S. SUPREME COURT OVERTURNED THE 1973 ROE VERSUS WADE DECISION.

THE COURT RULED THAT THERE IS NOT A FEDERAL CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT TO AN ABORTION.

THE RULING MEANS STATES CAN NOW DETERMINE HOW TO MANY STATES, INCLUDING KENTUCKY ALREADY HAD TRIGGER LAWS IN PLACE BANNING ABORTION IMMEDIATELY IF ROE VERSUS WADE WAS EVER OVERTURNED.

IN KENTUCKY ABORTION IS NOW ILLEGAL EXCEPT WHEN THE MOTHER' HEALTH IS THREATENED.

THERE ARE NO EXCEPTIONS FOR PREGNANCY RESULTING IN RAPE OR INCEST.

THE RULING HAS PROMPTED PROTESTS HERE IN KENTUCKY OVER THE WEEKE THERE ARE STRONG FEELINGS ON BOTH SIDES OF THIS ISSUE AS YOU KNOW AND THAT'S GOING TO BE REFLECTED TONIGHT ON OUR panel.

WE ARE JOINED IN LEXINGTON BY REPRESENTATIVE NANCY TATE, A REPUBLICAN FROM BRANDENBURGH AN THE SPONSOR OF AN OMNIBUS ANTI-ABORTION BILL PASSED BY TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY EARLIER THIS Y REPRESENTATIVE JOSIE RAYMOND, A DEMOCRAT FROM LOUISVILLE.

AND ADD YEAH WISHNER, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF KENTUCKY RIGHT TO L. AND JOINING US IN OUR LOUISVILLE STUDIO TAMARRA WIEDER BE, KENTUCKY STATE DIRECTOR of OF PLANNED PARENTHOOD ALLIANCE ADV YOU WE DO WANT TO HEAR FROM YOU QUESTION AT TWITTERLAST FRIDAY SEND US A QUESTION OR COMMENT O TWITTER AT KYTONIGHTKET.

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THANK YOU FOR ASSEMBLING.

WE'VE HAD THIS GROUP TOGETHER BEFORE, AND I'M HONORED THAT YOU WOULD BE HERE TONIGHT.

I KNOW IT'S BEEN A WEEKEND THAT'S BEEN FULL OF PASSION AND A LOT OF COMMENTARY AND WE'RE GOING TO BRING A VERY CIVIL DISCUSSION TO BEAR HERE TONIGHT ON THIS.

MS.Y WIEDERER, I DO WANT TO BEGIN WITH YOU BECAUSE THE LATEST ACTION TODAY IS THE LAWSUIT THAT ACU NATIONALLY, THE ACLU AND PLANNED PARENTHOOD HAVE FILED IN JEFFERSON CIRCUIT COURT ON TWO ISSUES HE EVER, SEEKING TO BLOCK ABORTION BANS, ONE, THE 2019 TRIGGER LAW AS WE OFTEN HEAR THAT KENTUCKY LAW THAT WAS PASSED THEN THAT WOULD OUTLAW ABORTION SHOULD ROE V. WADE BE OVERTURNED, WHICH IT HAS BEEN, AND THEN THE SIX-WEEK ABORTION BAN THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN BLOCKED BY A FEDERAL COURT.

SO I WANT TO GET YOUR TAKE ON THE SWIFT ACTION WHICH YOUR GROUP AND OTHERS HAVE FILED THIS LAWSUIT AND WHY DO YOU THINK NOW THAT IT STANDS A CHANCE OF OVERTURNING OR REVERSING WITH THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN DONE BY THE NATION'S HIGHEST COURT?

>> THANKS, RENEE.

IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT FOR OUR PATIENTS AND FOR ALL PEOPLE ACROSS THE COMMONWEALTH THAT THEY HAVE ACCESS TO ABORTION.

THAT IS WHY PLANNED PARENTHOOD ALONG WITH OUR COLLEAGUES AT THE ACLU AND AMW HAVE FILED SUIT AGAINST THE TRIGGER BAN AND THE SIX-WEEK BAN THAT MARGINALIZES PEOPLE SEEKING ABORTION CARE.

THIS IS DANGEROUS LEGISLATION THAT WILL HAVE INCREDIBLY DEVASTATING IMPACTS ON MATERNAL HEALTH ACROSS THE COMMONWEALTH.

AND SO TODAY WE FILED IN DISTRICT COURT, AND WE'VE ALREADY SEEN IN OTHER STATES LIKE UTAH AND LOUISIANA INJUNCTIONS HAVE BEEN PUT IN PLACE ON TRIGGER BANS THAT WENT INTO EFFECT.

SO WE FEEL CONFIDENT THAT WE WILL BE ABLE TO SHOW THAT THE KENTUCKY CONSTITUTION DOES SUPPORT ACCESS TO ABORTION AND OUR MEDICAL PRIVACY AND BRING BACK HEALTH CARE THAT IS DESPERATELY NEEDED FOR KENTUCKIANS.

>> REPRESENTATIVE RAYMOND, I KNOW THAT YOU WERE A SPEAKER AT THE LOUISVILLE PROTESTS THAT HAPPENED -- WAS THAT FRIDAY?

SO TELL US YOUR RESPONSE WHEN YOU FIRST HEARD AND REACTION TO THE NEWS THAT IT WAS -- EXCUSE ME.

I'M SORRY.

THAT ROE V. WADE BASS BEING OVERTURNED.

>> I CONTINUE TO FEEL GRIEF FOR THE SADNESS AND DEATH THAT WE KNOW IS COMING.

I FEEL ANGER AT THE ROLLBACK OF 50 YEARS OF WOMEN'S RIGHTS.

I FEEL ANGER AT THE IMPOSITION OF ONE RELIGION'S VIEW THAT'S EVANGELICAL CHRISTIANITY ON JEWS, MUSLIMS, BUDDHISTS AND NON-BELIEVERS.

I FEEL FRUSTRATION WITH WHAT I SEE AS THE HYPOCRISY OF A REPUBLICAN PARTY THAT BANS ABORTION WITHOUT BUILDING AN INFRASTRUCTURE TO TRULY SUPPORT FAMILIES.

WE HAVE NO INCREASE IN THE MIDGE.

WE HAVE NO HELP WITH THE COST OF DELIVERING A BABY, NO PAID LEAVE, NO UNIVERSAL CHILD CARE.

WE'RE NOT TAKING CARE OF THE KIDS WE'VE GOT.

SO WITH THIS RULING AND KENTUCKY'S TRIGGER LAW, IF IT STANDS, WE'RE GOING TO SEE LITERALLY EVERY MEASURE OF WELL-BEING IN KENTUCKY GET WORSE.

MATERNAL COMPLICATIONS AND DEATH WILL GO UP.

CHILD POVERTY WILL GO UP.

PARENTAL STRESS, WHICH THREADS TO CHILD ABUSE, WILL GO UP.

THE NUMBER OF SEVERELY DISABLED KENTUCKIANS WHO CANNOT GET MEDICAID WAIVERS WILL GO ON.

NUMBER OF PREGNANT WOMEN MURDER BIDE THEIR PARTNERS WILL GO.

YOU.

THE NUMBER OF EM WITH UNABLE TO WORK WILL GO UP.

THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO LEAVE HIGH SCHOOL AND COLLEGE WITHOUT DEGREES WILL GO UP.

WE HAVE ENDED WOMEN'S CHOICES WITHOUT CREATING THE ENVIRONMENT NECESSARY FOR EVERYONE TO BE ABLE TO PARENT ONE CHILD OR A SECOND OR A THIRD OR A FOURTH.

>> I TWAIN TO GO TO YOU, MS. WISHNER, FORMER STATE REPRESENTATIVE AND YOU HAVE BEEN THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF KENTUCKY RIGHT TO LIFE FOR SOME YEARS NOW.

I WANT TO ASK YOU TO RESPOND TRO REPRESENTATIVE RAYMOND'S ACCUSATIONS THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF THINGS THAT WILL GO UP AND NOT NECESSARILY FOR THE GOOD BECAUSE OF WHAT HAS HAPPENED.

DO YOU KNOW IF THE KENTUCKY GENERAL ASSEMBLY MADE PROVISIONS IN THE LATEST BUDGET TO HELP ABATE SOME OF THESE CONCERNS ABOUT UNWANTED PREGNANCY, THE 3,000 TO 4,000 ABORTIONS THAT HAPPEN EACH YEAR IN KENTUCKY THAT NOW THOSE PREGNANCY THAT WILL BE CARRIED TO TERM, BUT THERE WILL BE RESOURCES FOR THOSE WOMEN.

>> I THINK EACH YEAR THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY OF KENTUCKY AND I HAVE TO COMMEND THEM, WORK HEARDER AT ADDING RESOURCES FOR MOTHERS AND CHILDREN.

IF YOU LOOK AT MATERNAL KINDLY BEVIN JUST THIS BILL, AND IT WAS A BIPARTISAN BILL THAT BROUGHT FORTH HOUSE BILL 174, THAT BILL FOR THE FIRST TIME NOT ONLY THE MATERNAL CHILD BENEFITS THAT FOLLOW THE CHILD AFTER DELIVERY FOR THAT CHILD'S BUT THEY NOW MAKE THOSE AVAILABLE TO MOTHERS.

EACH YEAR WE HAVE IMPROVED FOSTER CARE, PATHWAY TO ADOPTION.

WE DON'T DO -- CAN THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY DO MORE?

I JUST ARE HIGH DISCUSSION TODAY, AS WE LOOK FORWARD WHAT CAN BE DONE IN THE FUTURE, WHAT CAN BE DONE AS MORE.

THE FATHERHOOD PROGRAM THAT FUNDING WAS PUTTING INTO THAT'S PART OF TO PREVENT CHILD ABUSE KENTUCKY.

I SERVED TO BOARD OF CHILD ABUSE KENTUCKY SINCE I LEFT THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY AND WORKED CLOSELY WITH THEM.

I THINK IT'S A STATE EVERY YEAR WE HAVE IMPROVED AND PUT MORE FUNDING INTO THE AREAS OF MATERNAL CHILD CARE, EDUCATION, FULL YEAR KINDLE, THOSE THINGS THAT THEY ARE DOING FOR CHILDREN, AND I THINK IT'S UNFORTUNATE TO SAY ALL THE BAD THANKS ARE PREDICT THAT ARE GOING TO HAPPEN TO WOMEN AND CHILDREN.

LET'S TALK ABOUT THE GOOD THINGS THAT WILL HAPPEN.

FIRST, MORE CHILDREN WILL LIVE.

MORE CHILDREN, BECAUSE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT A HUMAN LIFE.

ABORTION TAKES THE LIFE OF ANOTHER HUMAN BEING.

THERE ARE HUMAN RIGHTS.

AT THE SAME TIME MAKING SURE THAT WE CAN HELP THAT MOTHER, WHETHER SHE DECIDES TO PARENT, CO-PARENT OR NOT PARENT AND SHE CHOOSES ADOPTION.

MAKING SURE ALL OF THOSE PATHWAYS FOR HER, SHE HAS PROGRAMS COMING ALONGSIDE AND SUPPORTING HER WITH HER CHOICE.

>> REPRESENTATIVE TATE OF COURSE I MENTIONED AT THE BEGINNING THAT YOU SPONSORED THE OMNIBUS PRO-LIFE MEASURE HOUSE BILL 3 THAT WAS PASSED AND THE VETO WAS OVERRIDDEN BY THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY.

WHEN YOU HEARD THE NEWS ABOUT ROE V. WADE, WHAT WAS YOUR INITIAL REACTION?

AND NOW THAT YOU KNOW THERE'S A LEGAL CHALLENGE PRESENTED, YOUR THOUGHTS THERE.

>> SO IF I HAD TO SUM IT UP IN ONE WORD, I WOULD HAVE TO SAY GRATEFUL.

I AM SO GRATEFUL TO THE SUPREME COURT JUSTICES FOR I WOULD CALL THEM CONSTITUTIONAL PURISTS.

SO BASICALLY WHAT THEY'RE DOING IS THEY'RE ACTUALLY LOOKING AT THE CONSTITUTION AND THEY'RE SAYING WHAT LANGUAGE IS IN THE CONSTITUTION AND THEY'RE NOT EXPANDING THAT AND THEY'RE NOT TREATING THE CONSTITUTION LIKE IT'S A LIVING, BREATHING DOCUMENT THAT NEEDS TO BE MODIFIED FOR EVERY SOCIAL ISSUE THAT COMES IN PLACE.

SO I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT, AND I SINCERELY APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THE STATES TO BE ABLE TO MAKE OUR CHOICES.

ONE OF THE THINGS I -- WE ALL GET A LOT OF MAIL BUT ONE OF THE THINGS I MOST FREQUENTLY GET MAIL ON IS THE GROSS OVERREACH OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, AND SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FROM A FUNDING PERSPECTIVE, FROM -- AND THIS IS THE SOCIAL ISSUES.

SO FOR 40 YEARS WE HAVE HAD A LEGISLATION FROM THE BENCH, AND THIS IS BASICALLY A RETURN TO THE STATES, IT'S A RECOGNITION OF THERE ARE THREE BODIES, THERE'S THE JUDICIAL BRANCH, THE LEGISLATIVE BRANCH AND THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH.

AND THE UNDERSTANDING THAT LAW IS MADE IN THE LEGISLATIVE BRANCH.

NOW, THE OTHER THING, TOO, THAT I WANT TO POINT OUT IS THAT WHEN THEY SAID THAT THERE'S NO RIGHT IN THE CONSTITUTION FOR AN ABORTION, IF YOU LOOK AT THE KENTUCKY CONSTITUTION, THE KENTUCKY CONSTITUTION IS VERY SIMILAR WORD FOR WORD TO WHAT THE U.S. CONSTITUTION IS, AND IT BASICALLY SAYS IN SECTION 1, WE'VE HAD FOUR CONSTITUTION SINCE 1792, AND THE FURTHER CONSTITUTION WAS ACTUALLY ADOPTED IN 1891, AND EACH TIME IT TALKS ABOUT LIFE, LIBERTY AND THE PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS.

IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT FUNDING WE HAVE, IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT PROGRAMS WE HAVE, IF WE DON'T HAVE LIFE, IT IS ALL FOR NOTHING.

SO I'M GRATEFUL TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO REPRESENT THE PEOPLE OF KENTUCKY WITH AN ISSUE THAT IS SO DEAR TO US.

>> REPRESENTATIVE TATE, WOULD YOU SPONSOR A BILL IN THE UPCOMING GENERAL ASSEMBLY IN 2023 THAT WOULD MAKE IT HARDER FOR KENTUCKY WOMEN TO GO OUT OF STATE TO GET ABORTIONS AND FACE REPERCUSSIONS ON THAT IF THEY DID SO?

>> SO THAT'S A VERY INTERESTING QUESTION.

I THINK WE'LL CONTINUE TO LOOK AT THAT 237 THERE'S INTRASTATE AND INTERSTATE COMMERCE LAWS, AND SO AT THIS POINT I DON'T THINK THAT THERE IS REALLY AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO DO THAT, NOT THAT I WOULD REALLY WANT TO BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW THAT WE WANT TO CHERRY-PICK WHAT TYPE OF DECISIONS THAT OUR -- THAT ARE OFFERED IN OTHER STATES.

THAT'S PART OF THE REPUBLIC OF UNITED STATES AS WELL AS THE DEMOCRACY THAT GIVES THE STATES THEIR RIGHTS.

EVEN LIKE WITH MY CHILD, I HAVE A CHILD WHO IS AUTISTIC, I WENT TO PHILADELPHIA TO CHOOSE HEALTH CARE AND AN OPTION FOR HIM.

SO I'M NOT REALLY CALLING THIS HEALTH CARE BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT FROM AN INTRASTATE AND AN CELEBRATE INTERSTATE PERSPECTIVE THAT WE WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY.

>> IN WEIRD 1 I KNOW YOU WANT TO COMMENT.

>> I WANT TO COMMENT ON THE OVERREACH COMMENTS.

WHAT IS GROSSY OVERREACH IS OVERREACH INTO THE MEDICAL DECISIONS THAT WE NO LONGER HAVE CHOICES IN.

FRANKFORT IS NOW IN OUR EXAM ROOMS, AND THAT IS INCREDIBLE OVERREACH INTO VERY PRIVATE DECISIONS.

AND REPRESENTATIVE TATE, I KNOW THAT YOU RECENTLY MADE COMMENTS TO THE UK KERNEL WHERE YOU SAID THAT YOU WANTED TO BAN BIRTH CONTROL VIA THE MAIL AND STOP BIRTH CONTROL BEING ACCESSIBLE AT PUBLIC UNIVERSITIES, AND SO WHAT I KNOW IS THAT WE ARE GOING TO CONTINUE TO SEE THE GROSS OVERREACH OF POLITICIANS LIKE YOU IN FRANKFORT CONTINUING TO ENCROACH ON OUR MEDICAL DECISIONS.

>> I ANTOINETTE TO RESPOND TO THAT, REPRESENTATIVE TATE.

DO YOU SUPPORT THAT?

>> BASICALLY WHAT I SAID, AND I COULD ACTUALLY BACK THIS UP, BUT WHAT I SAID WAS THAT MY CONCERN IS, IS THAT WHEN WE HAVE THE -- WHEN WE HAVE ABORTION-INDUCING PILLS THAT ARE DISPENSABLE AT SOME OF THE UNIVERSITIES AND COLLEGES, AND I DIDN'T SAY THAT THAT WAS HERE IN KENTUCKY, I SAID I CAN TELL YOU THAT I DON'T THINK THAT IT'S HERE IN KENTUCKY, BUT UNDERSTAND NO CIRCUMSTANCES DO I THINK THAT THE ABORTION-INDUCING PILLS SHOULD BE AVAILABLE LIKE IN VENDING MACHINES.

NOW, THE OTHER THING I WANT TO POINT OUT, TOO, IS WITH -- >> YOU SAID BIRTH CONTROL.

BIRTH CONTROL IS AN IUD OR -- >> FELLOW I WAS ASKED THAT QUESTION AND I SAID THERE IS A DRASTIC DIFFERENCE, THAT I DID NOT WANT ABORTION-INDUCING PILLS TO BE AVAILABLE VIA VENDING MACHINES IN COLLEGES AND UNIVERSITIES, AND AS A MATTER OF FACT I DON'T THINK THAT ANY OF US WOULD WANT THAT.

>> BUT THAT'S NOT TO BE EXTRAPOLATE TO BIRTH CONTROL.

>> THAT'S EXACTLY CORRECT.

>> THE OTHER THING I WANT TO POINT OUT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THIS HOUSE BILL 148 AND IT'S CALLED HUMAN LIFE PROTECTION ACT, IF YOU GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE VOTING RECORD FOR THIS, THERE ARE 100 REST OF THE AND THERE WERE 69 -- REPRESENTATIVE AND THERE WERE 69IATION ON THIS WHICH MEANS OF 100, 69, SO THAT'S A SOLID TWO-THIRDS VOTE IN BOTH THE HOUSE AND THE SENATE, AND IF YOU LOOK AT THIS, ACTUALLY, AND I'VE GOT IT RIGHT IN FRONT OF ME, WE PROBABLY ALL DO, DUTY WE HAVE GOT URBAN AND RURAL, MEN AND WOMEN, WE'VE GOT YOUNG, WE'VE GOT OLD.

WE'VE GOT DEMOCRAT, WE'VE GOT RNC.

SO 69 YEA ROADS A SOLID TWO-THIRDS VOTE OF THIS BIPARTISAN BILL, AND TO ME IT REPRESENTS THE VOTE OF THE PEOPLE BEFORE WE BECAME PARTISAN AND DIVIDED.

>> REPRESENTATIVE RAYMOND, YOU VOTED AGAINST THIS BILL, ONE OF THE 20 WHO VOTE AGAINST IT, SO THIS LIFE PROTECTION ACT YOU DIDN'T STAND FOR THEN, BUT THERE WERE SOME OF YOUR DEMOCRATIC COLLEAGUES WHO VOTED FOR IT.

>> RIGHT.

SO THIS IS THE TRIGGER LAW, TRIGGER BILL, TRIGGER BAN THAT REPRESENTATIVE TATE IS MENTIONING.

MOST OF THE DEMOCRATS WHO VOTED FOR THAT ARE NO LONG SERVING, AND THE VAST MAJORITY OF HOUSE -- >> R PATTON IS SERVING MOST OF NEM ARE NO LONGER SERVING.

THE THE VAST MAJORITY OF HOUSE DEMOCRATIC CAUCUS ISnd STING UP FOR ABORTION RIGHTS AND I'M PROUD TO STAND WITH THEM.

I WANT TO NOTE THAT THERE ARE VERY FEW OF US I DON'T UNDERSTAND EVER UNDERSTOOD THE IMAGINATION AND TECHS TREMES TO WHICH THE REPUBLICAN SUPER MINORITY MIGHT TO GO BODILY A TON ME.

PI WANT TO NOTE THAT EVERY WOMAN OF CHILD-BEARING AGE IN AMERICA HAS ALWAYS HAD THE RIGHT TO AN ABORTION.

ITS A RIGHT THAT I'VE ALWAYS HAD, THAT WE'VE ALWAYS KNOWN.

IT WANT CAN'T BE OVERSTATED WHAT A DRAMATIC SETBACK THIS IS AND WHAT A DRAS TUCK OVERREACH BY THE SPORT, THAT'S WHY CHIEF JUSTICE ROBERTS SAID THIS IS AN UNNECESSARY OVERREACH AND DIDN'T JOIN THAT OPINION.

>> LET ME ASK YOU THIS.

A QUESTION FROM A VIEWER TONIGHT.

TOTE PRO-CHOICE SIDE, WHAT COMPROMISE ARE YOU WILLING TO MAKE ON ABORTION?

IF THERE WAS AN AGREEMENT TO ALLOW ABORTION IN CASES OF RAPE, INCEST, LIFE OF THE MOTHER, WOULD YOU AGREE TO BAN ABORTION IN 97% OF OTHER CASES?

I'LL ASK YOU, R REMAINED RAYMOND AND THEN MS. WIEDERER.

>> NO.

I BELIEVE THAT A WOMAN SHOULD BE ABLE TO GET AN ABORTION FOR ANY REASON.

>> ANY RESTRICTIONS AT ALL?

>> WE'VE HAD FOR A LONG, LONG TIME IN KENTUCKY A 20 WEEK ABORTION BAN, AND WE WERE DOING FINE.

>> YOU SUPPORT THAT?

>> I SUPPORT THE PLANNED PARENTHOOD AND EMW THE WAY THEY'VE BEEN OPERATING SAFELY AND EFFECTIVELY IN OUR COMMUNITIES.

WE'RE BACK UP TALKING ABOUT ABORTIONS BUT I WANT TOO NOTE WHEN WE BAN ABORTION THEN WE NEED TO START TALKING ABOUT PREGNANCY AND BIRTH AND PARENTING, AND BEING FORCED TO CARRY A PREGNANCY IS AN EXTREME PUNISHMENT BASED IN EXTREME JUDGMENT.

I'VE HAD A BABY MOST RECENTLY IN 2020, AND I'M ONE OF THOSE WOMEN THAT LOVES BEING PREGNANT.

BUT EVEN IN THE BEST CASE SCENARIO, PREGNANCY AND CHILDBIRTH ARE ROUGH.

YOU ALL KNOW THIS, RIGHT?

YOU VOMIT A LOT.

YOU HAVE THE WORST HEART BUNCH WHY LIFE YOU.

SLEEP TERRIBLY YOU.

GAIN 40 POUNDS.

YOUR FEET GET HUGE.

YOU'RE CONSTIPATED.

YOU GET STRETCH MARKS.

DO YOU REMEMBER ROUND LIGAMENT PAIN?

AND THEN YOU'VE GOT TO GET THAT BABY OUT.

AND PREGNANCY BECOMES MORE DANGEROUS EACH TIME.

I'VE HAD THREE C-SECTIONS AND MY DOCTOR SAYS WE REALLY ONLY WANT TO DO TWO SO MY NEXT PREGNANCY POST 45 WITH THREE C-SECTIONS WOULD BE HIGH-RISK AND FORCING ME TO CARRY A HIGH-RISK PREGNANCY PUTS MY CHILDREN BEING RISK OF BEING MOTHERLESS.

THEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AFTER DELIVERY, TOO MANY WOMEN ARE FORCED TO GO BACK TO WORK TOO EARLY WHEN THEY'RE STILL BLEEDING THROUGH THOSE GIANT HOSPITAL MAXI PADS, AND THEIR NYPD'S ARE CRACKED AND BLEEDING AND THEY'RE CRYING THE WITH BABY BLUES AND THEIR PUMPING OR FEEDING EVERY TWO OR THREE HOURS.

AND ONCE WE'RE PAST PREGNANCY AND DELIVERY WE'RE INTO FORCED PARENTING.

BABIES ARE HARD TO RAISE AND EXPENSIVE.

KIDS ARE MARRED TO RAISE AND EXPENSIVE.

I HAVE HEARD THAT TEENAGERS ARE HARD TO RAISE AND EXPENSIVE.

>> ALL OF THIS BECAUSE ALL OF IT'S A CHALLENGE?

IT IS THE WAY IT IS.

IT'S DIFFICULT.

I IT WAS A HIGH-RISK OB NURSE.

I HAVE THREE CHILDREN.

I WATCHED MY DAUGHTER DELIVER.

I HAVE WATCHED MY DAUGHTER-IN-WITH A VERY RISKY PREGNANCY AND A C-SECTION ANDCH WA MOMS, BUT DO WE WANT LIFE NOT TO EXIST BECAUSE IT'S TOUGH?

DON'T WE WANT TO MAKE IT BETTER?

>> THE LEGISLATURE MIGHT TELL A WOMAN THEY'VE GOT HER BACK BUT AFTER DIAPERS AND A CAR SEAT SHE IS ON HER OWN WHEN IT COMES TO FIELD TRIP FEES AND SO MUCH FOOD.

>> LET ME WERE I IN TAMARA HERE TO COMMENT.

>> YEAH, I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT WHEN WE START TALKING ABOUT MEDICAL DECISIONS, THAT WE ARE THE NO FORCING PEOPLE TO CARRY PREGNANCIES THAT GO AGAINST THEIR WILL.

AND THIS IS REAL IMPORTANT.

WHEN WE TALK ABOUT FRANKFORT INSERTING THEMSELVES INTO YOUR EXAM ROOMS, THEY HAVE NOW.

THEY HAVE NOT GIVEN YOU A CHOICE IN YOUR MATERNAL YELLED OUTCOMES, AND WHILE I'M HAPPY TO HAVE THIS CONVERSATION REPEATEDLY WITH ADDIA, THE PROBLEM IS THAT WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO HAVE CHOICES AND AGENCY OVER OUR DECISIONS WITHOUT FRANKFORT TELLING US WHAT'S BEST FOR US.

THERE ARE SO FEW MEDICAL EXPERTS MAKING THESE DECISIONS THAT HAVE DRASTICALLY CHANGED THE TRAJECTORY OF KENTUCKY.

WE ALREADY HAVE A MORTALITY CRISIS IN KENTUCKY.

KENTUCKY'S MATERNAL MORTALITY IS DOUBLE THE NATIONAL AVERAGE.

RESEARCH NOW IS SAYING THAT WE ARE GOING TO SEE A 21% INCREASE IN MATERNAL MORTALITY.

21%.

AND FOR BLACK WOMEN THAT'S 33%.

WE ARE NOT ADDRESSING THE ROOT BARRIERS HERE THAT ARE GOING TO CONTINUE TO SYSTEMICALLY DISADVANTAGE THOSE THAT ARE NOSE MARGINALIZED AND DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO CARE.

I'VE BEEN DOING THIS JOB FOR A LONG TIME NOW AND I HAVE NOT SEEN ANYTHING COME OUT OF FRANKFORT TO ADDRESS THE DISPARITIES AND THE SHORTAGES OF OB/GYNs IN OUR STATE.

THERE ARE 73 COUNTIES, 73 WITHOUT A PRACTICING OB/GYN.

AND THIS IS ONLY GOING TO GET WORSE AS THE CHILLING EFFECT ON PROVIDERS FOR HIGH-RISK PREGNANCIES AND REPRODUCT OF HEALTH CARE HAVE BEEN JUST EVISCERATED WITH THIS RULING AND THE TRIGGER BAN AND THE SIX WEEK BAN AND WHATEVER YOU ALL ARE PLOTTING FOR THE NEXT LEGISLATIVE SESSION.

>> SO THIS COMMENT FROM RICK.

HE SAYS, IT SEEMS THAT MOST OF THE HIGH PROFILE PEOPLE ON THIS ISSUE WANT THE EXTREMES, EITHER A BAN OR NO RESTRICTIONS AT ALL.

WOULD ANY OF YOUR PANELISTS SUPPORTED A COMPROMISE, 15 WEEKS LIKE IN FRANCE, 20 WEEKS?

I'LL START WITH THIS SIDE.

IS THERE A COMPROMISE?

>> YES, FOR THE HEALTH OF THE MOTHER.

>> JUST FOR THE HEALTH OF THE MOTHER.

>> IF THERE IS A COMPROMISE THAT IS FOR THE HEALTH OF MOTHER.

ACTUALLY WHEN WE GO BACK WHEN THIS FIRST STARTED 50 YEARS AGO, THAT WHAT IS THE INTENT FOR THIS TYPE LEGISLATION WAS FOR THE HEALTH OF MOTHER, AND SO NOW WE'VE GONE FROM THE HEALTH OF THE MOTHER ALL THE WAY TO INFANT SIDE AND NOW WE'VE GOT 62 MILLION BABIES THAT WE KNOW HAVE BEEN LOST TO ABORTIONS.

NOW, ONE OF THE THINGS I WANT TO TALK ABOUT TOO -- >> >> WHY NOT RAPE OR INCEST.

REMEMBER WHEN LAST YOU WERE ON WE HAD A DISCUSSION ABOUT YOUR BILL AND THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION OF INCLUDING VICTIMS OF RAPE OR INCEST, SOMEONE RAPED BY THEIR BIOLOGICAL FATHER OR OTHER RELATIVE, HAVING TO BEAR THAT CHILD AND/OR IF THEY'RE, GOD FORBID, GANG RANGED THINK OF ALL THE SCENARIOS BY WHICH THAT WOULD BE A VERY DIFFICULT PREGNANCY FOR THAT WOMAN TO ENDURE.

>> AND OF COURSE THIS ALWAYS COMES UP AND IT MAKES ME SOUND LIKE I'M VERY INS SENSITIVE BUT WHAT I'M GOING TO SAY IS THERE'S ONLY ONE% OF THE TIME THAT THAT OCCURS SO WE'VE GONE FROM 1% AND WE'VE ALSO GONE FROM ONE OCCURRENCE IN KENTUCKY OF THE LIFE OF THE MOTHER, ACCORDING TO YOUR VITAL STATISTICS.

WE'VE GONE ALL THE WAY FROM THAT ALL THE WAY TO 62 MILLION.

SO AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, THAT'S WHERE THE EXTREMISM COMES INTO PLAY.

NOW, ONE OF THE THINGS I WANT TO GO BACK TO IS THAT MATERNAL MORTALITY THAT TAMARA TALKED ABOUT, COORDINATING TO THE LAST REPORTS, THERE ARE 700 WOMEN, 700 MATERNAL MORTALITY CASES IN THE UNITED STATES, 700 ANNUALLY IN THE UNITED STATES.

SO AGAIN IT MAKES ME SOUND LIKE I'M VERY INSENSITIVE BUT THAT'S NOT THE POINT.

THE POINT IS THAT IN KENTUCKY, OF THE 700, 76 OF THEM WERE IN KENTUCKY IN 2018.

76 IN KENTUCKY OF THE 700.

AND 51 OF THOSE WERE IN DIRECT ASSOCIATION TO THE OPIOID ADDICTION.

SO WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT SOMETHING, THAT'S WHERE THESE INDIVIDUALS, AND KENTUCKY HAS BEEN RAVAGED WITH THE OPIOID ADDICTION.

SO WE NEED TO ADDRESS THAT PROBLEM.

IT'S NOT REALLY A MATERNAL MORTALITY PROBLEM.

IT'S AN OPIOID ADDICTION.

AND THEN OF THE OTHER CASES THERE WAS DIRECT ASSOCIATION TO TOBACCO USE AND OBESITY.

AND SO WE HAVE A SOCIAL ISSUE THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED AND IT CANNOT BE DONE AND SHOULD NOT BE DONE BY KILLING 62 MILLION BABIES.

>>UT WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO SPONSOR A MATERNAL MORTALITY EFFORT TO ABATE THOSE 76 DEATHS?

LIFE IS LIFE, AND THOSE LIVES MATTER JUST AS MUCH AS ONE OF AN UNBORN, RIGHT?

>> I THINK THAT'S WHAT ADDIA JUST TALKED ABOUT.

WITH KENTUCKY RIGHT TO LIFE WE HAVE ALREADY HAD DISCUSSIONS WHAT CAN WE DO IN THE FUTURE.

>> BUT WHY DOESN'T THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY DO SOMETHING?

>> THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

TO LOOK AT SOME OF THE BARRIERS THAT YOU'VE POINTED OUT, GETTING TOGETHER INSTEAD OF BEING SO SEPARATED.

THE IS IF WE CARE ABOUT WOMEN AND CARE ABOUT THE CHILDREN IN THE STATE, I CHALLENGE EVERYONE TO GET OUR HEADS TOGETHER.

GET YOUR HEADS TOGETHER AND LET'S TALK ABOUT WHERE WE CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE FOR THE WOMEN AND THE CHILDREN BUT NOT SEEING STAYING THAT THIS CHILD IS A BARRIER TO THEIR FUTURE OR TO THEIR FUTURE HEALTH.

WE'VE BEEN -- ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY HAS WORKED VERY HARD OVER THE YEARS AND WITH AN INFLUX OF FUNDING MAKING SURE THAT EVERYONE HAS A MEDICAL HOME.

LOOK WHERE WE WERE FIVE YEARS AGO WITH THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO JUST DIDN'T HAVE A -- DIDN'T HAVE THEIR INITIAL MEMORABILIA PROVIDER.

SEE WE'RE MAKING PROGRESSION IN THE STATE.

MEDICAL PROVIDER.

OUR HEALTH OUTCOMES ALL THE WAY AROUND NOT JUST MATERNAL CHILDREN HEALTH OUTCOMES, NOT JUST CHILDREN BUT WE HAVE THE HIGHEST RATE CANCER.

SUICIDE IS CREEPING UP.

DIABETES.

SO WE HAVE A -- THERE'S A LOT TO WORK ON IN THIS STATE AND MAKING SURE THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY, I KNOW THAT THE PASSION OF THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY IS TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL KENTUCKIANS HAVE IMMOVED HEALTH OUTCOMES.

>> BEFORE TOYING TAMARA WE HADDER IN LOUISVILLE I WANT TO GO TO YOU BECAUSE YOU'RE ABOUT AN A HEALTH CARE PROFESSIONAL, A NURSE AND A HOSPITAL ADMINISTRATOR SO YOU KNOW THAT THE HOST THAT THE HEALTH CARE INDUSTRY IS UNDERGOING RIGHT NOW IS SHORTAGES AND SPECIALISTS AND IN NURSING STAFF THEMSELVES, SO SO MANY PEOPLE ZWAI WHO IS ON THIS SIDE OF THE TABLE THAT THESE KINDS OF ACTIONS, BANNING ABORTION AND THE RIGHT TO ABORTION ACCESS, WILL EXACERBATE THE WHOLE ISSUE OF THE HEALTH CARE SHORTAGE, THAT THOSE WHO MIGHT PURSUE MEDICAL FIELDS IN KENTUCKY MAY BE DETERRED BECAUSE OF THESE RESTRICTIONS.

>> I COULD NEVER JUSTIFY -- WRAP MY HEAD AROUND AS A HEALTH CARE PROFESSIONAL AS A NURSE, WORKED IN HIGH-RISK OPENB AND EMERGENCY NIGH HOSPITAL, WRAP MY HEAD AROUND THAT WE WOULD ELIMINATE A LIFE, JUSTIFY ABORTION, ELIMINATING A HUMAN LIFE BECAUSE WE MIGHT HAVE A SHORTAGE, BECAUSE WE'RE CONTINUING TO DO BETTER, AND THAT'S WHAT WE MUST DO IN KENTUCKY, NOT LOOK AT THE BARRIERS BUT LOOK AT THE OPPORTUNITIES BECAUSE IF WE CARE AS WOMEN ABOUT WOMEN AND DARE CARE ABOUT THEIR EDUCATIONAL AND EMPLOYMENT OPPORTUNITIES, WE ARE NOT THE WORLD THAT WE WERE IN BACK IN THE '70s WHEN ROE WAS FIRST PRESENTED.

WOMEN BACK THEN, IF YOU BECAME PREGNANT, I GRADUATED HIGH SCHOOL THEN.

IF YOU WERE PREGNANT IN SCHOOL, OFTEN YOU JUST WENT AWAY, YOU WENT TO STAY WITH AN AUNT SOMEWHERE.

NOBODY REALLY KNEW WHAT HAPPENED, AND THEN YOU CAME BACK.

THE OPENNESS OF OUR CULTURE, WHETHER YOU WANT TO SINGLE PARENT, SUPPORT A PARENT OR ADOPTION IS THERE, AND WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL THOSE WRAP-AROUND SERVICES, THE THAT WOMEN ARE AWARE OF IT.

A LOT OF TIMES THEY'RE US JUST NOT AWARE THERE'S ANY OTHER CHOICE.

THEY'RE SCARED, CONFUSED AND FIND OUT AND THEY'VE GOT AN UNPLANNED PREGNANCY.

>> TAMARRA WIEDER WITH PLANNED PARENTHOOD, DO YOU PRESENT THOSE OPTIONS TO WOMEN WHO COME TO YOU IN CRISIS BECAUSE OF AN UNPLANNED PREGNANCY?

DO YOU LAY OUT THE OPTIONS FOR NEM OTHER THAN JUST AN ABORTION AND TERMINATING THEIR PREGNANCY?

>> ABSOLUTELY.

IT'S REAL IMPORTANT FOR EVERYBODY TO KNOW THAT THEY HAVE OPTIONS, AND THAT INCLUDES UNBIASED, NON-JUDGMENTAL HEALTH CARE, AND THAT GIVES THEM ALL THE OPPORTUNITIES TO, WHETHER THEY WANT TO PARENT, WHETHER THEY WANT TO ADOPT OR WHETHER THEY WANT TO CHOOSE ABORTION, AND THOSE ARE CHOICES THAT NOBODY IN FRANKFORT SHOULD BE MAKING FOR THEM, AND IT'S ONE OF THE -- THE SCARIEST TRAJECTORIES THAT WE'RE GOING AS LEGISLATORS CONTINUE TO COMPEL DOCTORS ON HOW THEY TALK TO THEIR PATIENTS.

THEY ARE COMPELLING FORCED SPEECH.

NORTH LEVING THEM GIVE ALL THE OPTIONS AND USE THEIR BEST JUDGMENT BECAUSE WE'RE NOW MOVING TIE SITUATION WHERE HOSPITALS ARE GOING TO HAVE TO WAIVE LIABILITY.

THERE IS MEDICAL EXEMPTIONS FOR LIFE OF THE MOTHER, BUT DON'T FORGET THEY ARE VERY NARROWLY TAILORED AND IF YOU ARE IN A RURAL HOSPITAL, YOU ARE NOT GOING TO BE NEAR A HIGH-LEVEL NEONATAL INTENSIVE CARE UNIT OR POTENTIALLY FIND TWO DOCTORS WHO WILL AGREE THAT YOU NEED AN ABORTION IN A MEDICAL EMERGENCY.

WE HAVE SEEN THIS PLAY OUT ALL OVER THE WORLD AND WE SEE IT PLAYING OUT NOW, THAT PEOPLE WILL DIE.

YOU ARE TAKING AWAY MEDICAL AUTONOMY AND AGENCY, AND WHEN THERE ARE ABORTION BANS, MATERNAL MORTALITY INCREASES.

YOU ARE NOT CREATING A SAFE ENVIRONMENT FOR PEOPLE AND WOMEN TO FLOURISH IN KENTUCKY.

>> SO LET ME ASK YOU, MS. WIEDERER, WHAT WOULD YOU SUPPORT?

IS THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT COMPROMISE.

WHERE WOULD YOU DRAW THE LINE WHEN IT COMES TO ACCESS AND PROVISION FOR AN ABORTION?

>> I DRAW THE LINE AT WHAT MY DOCTOR TELLS ME IS BEST FOR MY METHYL.

HEALTH.

>> REPRESENTATIVE RAYMOND.

>> I I THINK IT'S HELPFUL WHEN WE MINIMIZE THE DIFFICULTY OF ZING SINGLE PARENTING OR WHEN WE IGNORE THE STIGMA AROUND PUTTING A BABY UP FOR ADOPTION IN A SCHOOL ENVIRONMENT, IN A WORKPLACE IN SOCIETY, BUT I WANT TO NOTE HERE THAT THE POPULATION OF KENTUCKY IS NOT AS EXTREME ON THIS ISSUE AS THE REPUBLICAN MAJORITY.

IF SOMEBODY'S TEENAGER DAUGHTER IS RAPED, AND SHE BECOMES PREGNANT, DO NOSE KENTUCKIANS THINK THAT SHE SHOULD BE FORCE TO CARRY AND DELIVER THAT BABY?

RIGHT NOW THERE'S NO EXEMPTION FOR HER TO GET AN ABORTION.

I BELIEVE THAT THERE SHOULD BE ONE IF SOMEBODY'S WIFE OF THE HERR 20 WEEK APPOINTMENT DOESN'T GET A HAPPY GENDER REVEAL BUT GETS THE WORSE NEWS OF HER LIFE THAT THE FETUS WILL BE DEAD OR WILL BE SOON SHOULD SHE BE FORCE TO CARAT ON THE WEEKS AND DELIVER IT?

>> SOMEWHERE IS YOUR POLLING DATA AND WHO IS THE SOURCE THAT SHOWS MOST KENTUCKIANS?

>> PLANNED PARENTHOOD.

I'M SAYING I DON'T THINK THAT THEY DO.

AND I WANT TOO ASK A RHETORICAL QUESTION.

DO KENTUCKIANS BELIEVE THAT THE FETUS IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN THE WOMAN CARRYING THEM?

I DON'T BELIEVE THEY DO.

>> HERE'S A QUESTION FROM PATRICIA DAUGHTRY WILL CONTRACEPTION AND SHE SAYS WITH ALL THE EDUCATION AND EVANS CONTRACEPTION THAT WE HAVE IN SCHOOLS AND HEALTH CARE OFFICES TO PREVENT UNWANTED PREGNANCY, HOW ARE ALL THESE WOMEN GETTING PREGNANT TO BEGIN WITH?

IT DRAWS AN IMPORTANT QUESTION ABOUT SEX EDUCATION IN PUBLIC SCHOOLS.

DOES KENTUCKY HAVE IT?

AND WOULD YOU SUPPORT ENHANCING THAT IF IT DOES EXIST?

>> I THINK THAT'S A VERY SENSITIVE SUBJECT AS WELL BECAUSE I KNOW THAT NATIONALLY WE'VE HAD SOME CONVERSATIONS ABOUT SEX EDUCATION, AND SO SOME THINGS IN SECONDS EDUCATION THAT WE THINK ARE THE RIGHT WAZE TO HAVE SEX EDUCATION ISN'T REALLY THE WAY THAT EVERYBODY IS IN CONSENSUS.

I THINK BACK TO LIKE MY SECOND GRADE TEACHER, AND I CAN HONESTLY TELL THAT YOU MY TEACHER, I DIDN'T KNOW WHETHER SHE WAS MARRIED.

I DIDN'T KNOW IF SHE WASN'T MARRIED.

I DIDN'T KNOW IF SHE IDENTIFIED AS A FEMALE OR IF SHE IDENTIFIED AS A MALE OR, YOU KNOW, AND SO THOSE ARE SOME OF THE CONVERSATIONS THAT ARE OCCURRING IN SOME OF THE CITIES IN OUR YOUNGER CHILDREN.

AND I'M ABSOLUTELY OPPOSED TO THAT.

BUT I WANT TO GO BACK TO ONE OTHER THING THAT JOSIE SAID.

EXCUSE ME.

REPRESENTATIVE RAYMOND.

BASICALLY WHEN YOU GO BACK TO THE HUMAN LIGHT OF PROTECTION ACT, THERE ARE ABSOLUTELY PROVISIONS IN HERE THAT IT'S FOR THE HEALTH OF THE MOTHER, AND SO IT DOESN'T PROHIBIT MEDICAL TREATMENT IF THE MOTHER HAS HAD A MISCARRIAGE.

IT DOESN'T PREVENT MEDICAL FREMONT IF THERE IS AN ISSUE THAT POTENTIALLY.

IT'S THE LIGHT OF MOTHER AND POTENTIAL SITUATIONS THAT COULD IMPACT THE LIGHT OF MOTHER.

WE ALSO TALKED ABOUT WE SKIRTED COMPLETELY OVER THIS, AND I WANT TO GO RIGHT BACK TO THIS WHERE E. YOU TALKED ABOUT, RENEE, YOU ASKED ABOUT WHAT TIME OF SERVICES HAS THIS LEGISLATIVE BODY PASSED RECENTLY, AND I HAVE TO GO BACK AND RECOGNIZE THIS AND ACKNOWLEDGE THIS.

SENATE BILL 178 WITH HOUSE BILL AMOUNTED THREE.

IT EXTENDED MEDICARE ELIGIBILITY FORE NEW MOTHERS AND CHILDREN FOR UP TO 12 MONTHS POSTPARTUM.

IT WAS RECENTLY APPROVED BY THE SENATE FOR MEDICARE AND MEDICAID SERVICES.

THIS EXTENDED COVERAGE WILL ENSURE UP TO 100,000 KENTUCKY WOMEN WILL HAVE MEDICAID COVERAGE FOR UP TO 12 MONTHS FOR BOTH THE MOTHER AND THE CHILD AND THE HEALTH CARE.

WE'VE GOT 1.6 MILLION, 1.65 MILLION OF OUR KENTUCKIANS ARE ON MEDICAID RIGHT NOW.

4,000 MORE WOULD BE A DROP IN THE BUCKET.

SO IF WE NEED TO DO THESE 4,000 TO OUR MEDICAID, THEN BY ALL MEANS I THINK THAT BIPARTISAN WE WOULD SUPPORT THAT.

WE'VE ALSO IMPROVED ADOPTION AND FOSTER CARE SYSTEMS AND WE'VE DONE THIS BY PASSING MULTIPLE BILLS.

DURING THE 2021 SESSION, SENATE BILL 8 WHICH WAS CONSIDERED BY THE SENATE TO BE ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT BILLS THAT CAME OUT, SUPPORTED AND PROTECTED SERVICES FOR KENTUCKY'S MOST VULNERABLE CHILDREN WHO SUFFERED ABUSE, NEGLECTED AND EXPLOITATION.

IN 2020 WE PASSED HOUSE WILL 312 WHICH INCREASES COMMUNICATION BETWEEN SCHOOLS TO INCREASE THE TRANSITION OF CHILDREN INTO FOSTER CARE.

WE HAVE THE SAFE HEAVEN BABY BOX.

WE HAVE PROVIDED FUNDING FOR TER COALITION AGAINST DOMESTIC VIOLENCE, PREGNANCY RESOURCE CENTER.

I MEAN, I COULD GO ON AND ON AND ON.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 42% OF KWE'S PRECIOUS DOLLARS ARE GOING TO HEALTH AND FAMILY SERVICES, WE ARE SUPPORTING OUR HELLO HEALTH CARE.

>> WE HAD THIS QUESTION FROM HILLARY SYKES.

IF IT'S ONLY 1% FOR RAPE AND INCEST, WHY NOT ADD THAT TO PROTECTIONS?

BECAUSE YOU MENTIONED THAT BEFORE.

>> SURE, ABSOLUTELY.

SO SOME OF MY GREATEST FRIENDS WERE ACTUALLY CONCEIVED FROM RAPE AND INCEST.

AND SO WHEN YOU ARE TALKING TO YOUR FRIENDS WHO WERE CONCEIVED FROM RAPE AND INCEST AND YOU COULD POSSIBLY SAY THAT I DON'T CARE ABOUT YOU BECAUSE I'M GOING TO PASS LEGISLATION THAT SAYS THAT WE DON'T CARE ABOUT YOU, I AM A FIRM ADVOCATE FOR LIFE FROM CONCEPTION TO NATURAL DEATH REGARDLESS OF THE CIRCUMSTANCES, AND THESE CHILDREN DESERVE LIFE AND DESERVE OUR LOVE AND SUPPORT.

>> AND JUST TO CLARIFY, THAT MEANS THAT YOU'RE ANTI-DEATH PENALTY.

>> ABSOLUTELY.

YES, MA'AM.

I STAY FROM CONCEPTION TO NATURAL DEATH AND I MEAN IT.

THANK YOU.

PERFECT QUESTION.

>> TAMARRA WIEDER, I THINK YOU WANT TO JUMP IN HERE.

THEN YOU WANT TO CLARIFY SOMETHING THAT WAS IN THE ADVISORY THAT ETERNAL ATTORNEY GENERAL PUT OUT ON FRIDAY BUT I WOULD LIKE TO YOU RESPOND AT THIS POINT AS YOU WOULD LIKE.

>> THERE'S A COUPLE OF POINTS.

I GUESS I WANT TO GO BACK TO SECTIONS EDUCATION.

WE HAVE TRIED FOR AS LONG AS I'VE BEEN WORKING WEEK ALMOST A DECADE WITH PLANNED PARENTHOOD, TO GET COMPREHENSIVE SEX EDUCATION.

AND WE KNOW FROM POLLING THAT WE DID IN 2019 THAT 86% OF KENTUCKIANS SUPPORT COMPREHENSIVE SEX EDUCATION.

IT IS WILDLY POPULAR AND IT GOES ACROSS POLITICAL IDEOLOGY, RELIGIOUS IDENTITY.

IT IS WILDLY POPULAR, AND YET WE ARE FIGHTING TOOTH AND NAIL TO HAVE OUR CURRICULUM BE TAUGHT -- NOT PLANNED PARENTHOOD'S CURRICULUM, I'M SORRY -- BUT SEX EDUCATION CURRICULUM BE TAUGHT IN SCHOOLS THAT TEACH PEOPLE HOW TO TALK TO THE DOCTOR AND HOW TO ADVOCATE FOR THEIR NEEDS FOR THEIR WHOLE LIVES.

I ALSO WANT TO TALK ABOUT, I MEAN, REPRESENTATIVE TATE JUST SAID THAT RAPEIN AND SAYS VICTIMS WHO WANT AN ABORTION, THEY HAVE TO BE FORCED TO CARRY A PREGNANCY.

THIS IS DEEPLY TRAUMATIC, AND WE KNOW FROM RESEARCH THAT WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW EXTREMELY UNPOPULAR IN KENTUCKY.

65% OF KENTUCKIANS SUPPORT ACCESS TO ABORTION.

THEY DO NOT AGREE WITH THIS BAN, AND WE KNOW THAT KENTUCKIANS WANT EXEMPTIONS FOR RAPE, FOR INCEST, FOR FETAL ANOMALIES AND STRONGER PROTECTIONS FOR LIFE OF THE MOTHER.

SO THIS IS NOT THE WILL OF KENTUCKIANS.

IT'S FORCED BY THE CAN LEGISLATORS IN FRANKFORT AGAINST OUR CONSTITUENTS.

>> WOULD YOU LIKE TO CHIME IN HERE BEFORE I BROUGHT IT SOMETHING?

>> DEMOCRATS HAVE HAD COMPREHENSIVE SECONDS ED BILLS FOR MULTIPLE YEARS RUNNING.

I'VE BROUGHT MULTIPLE BLACK HILLS FOR INCREASE TO BIRTH CONTROL.

WE HAVE BIRTH CONTROL BUT BIRTH CONTROL IS NOT AS ACCESSIBLE AS IT OUGHT TO BE.

MANY OF OUR RURAL COUNTIES DON'T HAVE BIRTH CONTROL CENTERS.

THERE'S PROGRESS WE CAN MAKE THERE.

I HEARD THAT THE LEGISLATURE HAD DONE MANY THINGS TO SUPPORT FAMILIES.

A FEW.

NOT NEARLY ENOUGH.

THE STATE IS NOT SUPPORTING PARENTS THE WAY THAT IT NEEDS TO.

IT IS INCREDIBLY STRESSFUL AND EXPENSIVE TO PARENT IN AMERICA RIGHT NOW.

WE DON'T HAVE PAID LEAVE OR UNIVERSAL CHILD CARE.

WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH FORMULA.

WE'RE GETTING IT FROM MEXICO AT THE MOMENT.

WE KNOW THAT HEALTH INSURANCE COSTS ARE UP.

THE COST OF CHILD CARE IS ASTRONOMICAL.

FOOD IS UP, CLOTHES ARE UP, AND PARENTS ON THEIR OWN AFTER THAT CHUBBY PINK GOOD-SMELLING BABY GETS BIGGER AND STINKIER AND TALKING ABOUT TALKING BACK.

CAN WE DO SOMETHING IN 2023 TO SUPPORT PARENTS IN KENTUCKY.

>> WHAT'S INTERESTING TO ME AND EVERY SINGLE ONE OF US ON THIS TABLE BUT ALL OF US RIGHT HERE, WE'RE ALL WORKING MOTHERS.

SO 23 ALL UNDERSTAND THE CHALLENGES.

IF I LOOK AT R RAYMOND'S SCHOOL DISTRICT AND I COMPARE HER DISTRICT TO MINE, I SEE -- WHAT I SEE IS I SEE HARD-WORKING, LAW-ABIDING, FAMILY-LOVING DISTRICTS.

AND SO IT CONCERNS ME THAT WE ARE SO PARTICULAR OPPOSITE.

AND SO WHAT I -- POLAR OPPOSITE.

AND SO WHAT I HIGHLY ENCOURAGE US TO DO AND I ASK US TO DO STOW PASSIONATELY, AND I MEAN PROFESSIONALLY, WORK TOGETHER IN ORDER TO ADDRESS THESE SITUATIONS.

YOU KNOW, YOU TALKED ABOUT SOME OF THE CONDITIONS THAT ARE PLAGUING KENTUCKY.

THEY'RE NO NEW TO KENTUCKY IN 2022.

THOSE CONDITIONS THAT HAVE BEEN PLAGUING KENTUCKY HAVE BEEN THERE FOR A LONG TIME.

>> ABORTION IS NEW TO KENTUCKY IN 2022.

>> EXACTLY.

AND SO WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS A LITTLE BIT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT YOU SAID THAT YOU HAD SOME RIGHTEOUS ANGER AND THERE'S BEEN RIGHTEOUS ANGER THAT'S BEEN GOING ON FOR YEARS THAT'S NOT GOING TO GO AWAY BUT WHAT OUR CONSTITUENTS DO EXPECT US TO DO IS THEY EXPECT US TO DROP OUR PARTIES, DROP OUR PASSIONS, DROP OUR CONCERNS AND ACTUALLY BECOME PROBLEM-SOLVERS AND ADDRESS DID PROBLEMS THAT ARE FACING KENTUCKY COLLECTIVELY ONE BY ONE, AND THAT IS NOT HAPPENING.

>> LET ME ASK A QUESTION HERE.

THIS IS FROM THE ATTORNEY GENERAL ADVISORY THAT CAME OUT JUNE 24th, FRIDAY, JUST HOURS AFTER WE HEARD THE RULING FROM THE SUPREME COURT.

AND THIS IS REAFFIRMING THE HUMAN LIFE PROTECTION ACT, WHICH HE WILL DEFEND, BUT THERE IS A PROVISION IN HERE CHA THANK I'M QUESTIONING.

IT SAYS, A LICENSED PHYSICIAN MUST MAKE REGIONAL MEDICAL EFFORTS UNDER THE STORIES, PRESERVE BOTH THE LIGHT OF MOTHER AND THE LIFE OF THE UNBORN CHILD, QUOTE, IN A IN A MANNER CONSISTENT WITH REASONABLE PRACTICES.

NOW, WE'VE HEARD A LOT ABOUT THAT THE EXCEPTIONS FOR THE LIFE ENGAGE EVER DANGER.

OF THE MOTHER ON VITAL ORGANS BUT THIS PART ABOUT MAKING REASONABLE MECH MEDICAL EFFORTS TO PRESERVE THE LIFE OF THE MOTHER AND UNDER THE BORN CHILD, EXPLAIN THAT BECAUSE IT MAKES I YOU HAD SOUND LIKE THERE'S LIABILITY IF IN FACT THERE'S NOT ENOUGH DONE.

>> STANDARD OF CARE.

>> NORMALLY WHEN A MOTHER PRESENTS AND SHE IS PREAGED LETTING, THE FIRST TIME A DOCTOR, TOO, A WOMAN WHO IS PREGNANT, HE OR SHE KNOWS, THE HEALTH CARE PROVIDER, THAT THEY HAVE TWO PATIENTS NOW.

SO EVERY MEDICATION, EVERY TEST, EVERYTHING THAT THEY'RE DOING MAY INFLUENCE THAT LIFE THAT'S NOW FORMING.

SO WHEN THE SITUATION ARISES, THERE'S A SITUATION OF THE LIGHT OF MOTHER, WHETHER IT'S ILLNESS, SICKNESS, A FORM OF CANCER THAT'S GOING TO IMPACT HER LIFE PERMANENTLY OR AN ACCIDENT, AND THIS DOESN'T -- THIS IS VERY RARE -- THERE'S STILL GOING TO MAKE ANY -- ANY DOCTOR IS GOING TO HAVE A NIGH OH IN A TO THE TEAM RIGHT THERE AT THAT TIME MAKING THAT DECISION.

AND THEY'RE GOING TO AN EFFORT TO SAVE BOTH.

>> BUT IF THEY CAN'T SAVE BOTH AND ONLY THE LIGHT OF MOTHER IS PRESERVED, DOES THAT PHYSICIAN, THAT PROVIDER FACE ANY CRIMINALITY.

>> NO, BECAUSE IT'S THE BEST MEDICAL JUDGMENT.

AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT THE ATTORNEY GENERAL, HE WAS -- WHEN THE SCOPE OF CARE WAS PRESENTING.

OPELIKA THINK WHAT IS AN ATTACK ON ANY MEDICAL COMMUNITY.

>> MS.Y WEIRD?

ER.

>> I TWO DISAGREE WITH ADDIA.

THIS IS AN ATTACK ON PROVIDERS AND THEIR BEST JUDGMENT.

IT'S INSERTING POLITICS AND PUTTING MEDICAL CARAT IN HANDS OF LAWYERS.

WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN AS WE'VE SEEN IN OTHER STATES, AS WE'VE SEEN IN OTHER COUNTRIES, THAT WOMEN WILL DIE WHILE HOSPITALS FIGURE OUT IF THEY CAN PROVIDE A MEDICALLY NECESSARY ABORTION.

WE'VE HAD PEOPLE WHO HAVE HAD TO LEAVE TEXAS TO GET THEIR ECTOPIC PREGNANCY BEFORE THEY RUPTURED.

WE'VE SEEN RECENTLY -- NO, WE ARE GOING TO TO GO THERE BECAUSE THIS HAPPENS AND MEDICAL -- >> IT'S NOTE AN ABORTION.

>> ADDIA, YOU'VE SEEN -- BUT IT IS AN ABORTION, AND LET'S BE VERY CLEAR ABOUT THE TERMINOLOGY, AND YOU KNOW THIS AS A NURSE SO SHAME ON YOU, THAT THE DNC, THAT DOING A SPAWNS ABORTION, ALL OF THAT IS ABORTION -- SPONTANEOUS ABORTION.

MEDICALLY NECESSARY ABORTIONS ARE ABORTIONS.

SO LET'S BE HONEST WHEN WE TALK ABOUT IT.

>> WE TALK ABOUT SPONTANEOUS, BUT AN ECTOPIC PREGNANCY, THERE IS NOTE A PHYSICIAN PRACTICING THAT NOT DELIVER CARE.

THAT IS A PREGNANCY THAT OCCURS OUTSIDE OF THE WOMB AND IN A FALLOPIAN TUBE.

>> TALK ABOUT THAT TO THE WOMEN IN TEXAS WHO HAD TO GO TO NEW INCOMES.

TALK ABOUT THAT TO THE WOMEN WHO ARE HAVING TO LEAVE STATES AS THEY'RE TURNED AWAY FROM ERS WHO ARE FRAYED FOR THE LIABILITY THAT BILLS LIKE THE SIX WEEK BAN OF FUTURE INTO PLACE.

TALK ABOUT THAT TO LAWYERS WHO ARE NOW FIGURING OUT HOPEFUL LIABILITY THEY CAN WITHSTAND SCHUMM DOCTORS' LICENSES IN KENTUCKY ARE GOING TO BE LOST AS YOU'VE STRIPPED THEM, YOU'VE STRIPPED THEIR BEST MEDICAL JUDGMENT AWAY FROM THEM.

>> BUT YOU KNOW WHAT WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT -- >> THIS IS NOT FEAR-MONGERING.

THIS IS HAPPENING ACROSS THE COUNTRY.

>> MS. WE WIREDS, ALLOW MS. WUCHNER TO RESPOND.

>> SINCE ABORTION HAS BEEN THE DECISION IN 1973, OVER 296,000 BABIES IN KENTUCKY HAVE BEEN LOST.

IF YOU DO THE MATH AND YOU WANT TO KNOW HOW REAL THAT IS AND YOU EXTRAPOLATE AND IT AVERAGE OUT OVER 50 YEARS, WHEN WE BUILD ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS IN KENTUCKY, THEY USUALLY HAVE 600 TO 650 CHILDREN, MAYBE 700.

THAT COMES DOWN TO NINE ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS OF CHILDREN.

NOT NINE ELEMENTARY CLASSROOMS.

NINE ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS A YEAR.

OF CHILDREN HAVE VANISHED FROM KENTUCKY.

THAT'S THE REALITY OF ABORTION.

THOSE EMOTIONS WERE NOT MEDICALLY NECESSARY.

MOST OF THOSE WERE A CHOICE.

AND I UNDERSTAND THE CHOICE THAT I WOMAN MADE WHEN SHE THOUGHT SHE DIDN'T PERHAPS HAVE ANY OTHER CHOICES ON SOMEONE DIDN'T HAVE HER BACK.

AND I RESPECT AS WE'RE SPEAKING, BUT I HAVE TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THE LARGEST ABORTION PROVIDER INDUSTRY IN THE UNITED STATES AND IN KENTUCKY IS PLANNED PARENTHOOD.

>> IS THAT CORRECT, MS. WIEDERER?

>> NO, IT'S NOT DIRECT.

NOT IN E. KENTUCKY.

WE HAVE JUST STARTED PROVIDING ABORTIONS IN 2020.

>> WE DO HAVE ANOTHER PROVIDER, BUT IN THE UNITED STATES IT IS AN INDUSTRY.

JUST THIS YEAR THAT HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES HAVE LOOSENED THE RESTRAINTS OF DOLLARS COMING IN, I THINK IT WAS A LITTLE OVER 1 MILLION CAME IN TO THE CABINET, BUT PLANNED PARENTHOOD OF KENTUCKY, PLANNED PARENTHOOD SPECIFICALLY RECEIVED HALF A MILLION DOLLARS FROM SSH MOST REASONABLE, AND THEY TOOK AWAY THE RESTRICTION.

THERE USED BE THE A WALL THAT IT THAN THE WOULD BE FEUDS FOR ABORTION BUT THEY LIGHTENED THAT 2019 RESTRICTION.

IT'S STILL AN INDUSTRY.

>> THAT'S NOT TRUE.

THERE IS THIS THING CALLED THE HAIDL AMENDMENT, AND SO THAT RESTRICTS FUNDING FOR ALL ABORTIONS, AND NO ABORTIONS IN KERRY RECEIVING ANY PUBLIC FUNDING, AND I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT AS WE ABOUT MISINFORMATION, THAT THAT IS MISINFORMATION.

PLANNED PARENTHOOD IS A HEALTH CARE PROVIDERRER WOO FRONTLINE HEALTH SERVICES.

WE ARE THERE FOR THE COMMUNITY.

WE DO SO MANY SERVICES, SMOKING CESSATION, HEALTHY -- WE DO DIABETES SCREENING, HIGH BLOOD PRESSURE TESTS, HIGH CHOLESTEROL.

WE ARE A FRONTLINE SERVICE PROVIDER WHO ARE PROUD TO PROVIDE ABORTIONS BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT THE COMMUNITY COUNT ON US FORENOON BYES YAD, ACCURATE MEDICAL CARE WITHOUT JUDGMENT AND WE ARE ACROSS THE COUNTRY BECAUSE WE ARE TRUSTED AND WE ARE EXPERTS IN THIS.

>> MS. WIEDER, LET ME ASK YOU HOW MANYCH SERVICES YOU PROVIDE DOES ABORTION MAKE UP THE SERVICES THAT YOU PROVIDED?

GIVE MIA MERGE, PLEASE.

-- GIVE ME A PERCENTAGE, PLEASE.

>> HONESTLY IN KENTUCKY I DON'T KNOW.

I MEAN, WE STARTED PROVIDING ABORTION CARE IN 2020.

WE WERE PROVIDING OUR FAMILY PLANNING SERVICES APART FROM IT.

WE PROVIDE OUR CARE IN CONCERT TOGETHER, SO I DON'T LIKE TO SAY THAT ONLY SO MUCH OF A SERVICE IS ABORTION CARE BECAUSE ABORTION CARE IS VALID.

>> CAN WE TALK ABOUT IN THE UNITED STATES THEN?

IF WE TALK ABOUT POTENTIALLY THAT EXPANSION, SO I'D LIKE TO KNOW IN THE UNITED STATES WHAT'S HAPPENING, COLLECTIVELY ACROSS THE UNITED STATES SO WE CAN UNDERSTAND POTENTIALLY WHAT COULD BE HAPPENING IN KENTUCKY IN THE NEAR FUTURE IF PLANNED PARENTHOOD CONTINUES TO OPERATE.

>> PLANNED PARENTHOOD WILL CONTINUE TO OPERATE.

WE'VE BEEN HERE SINCE 1932 AND WE ARE NOT GOING ANYWHERE.

>> DISCUSS ME.

I MEAN IN REGARDS TO RENEE'S QUESTION AS FAR AS PERCENTAGE OF CARE THAT'S PROVIDED FOR OTHER SERVICES BESIDES ABORTIONS.

YOUR CEO HAS TALKED ABOUT THAT AND YOUR CEO HAS BEEN VERY CLEAR ABOUT THAT IN THE PAST AND I'M SURE -- >> I DON'T KNOW WHAT CEO YOUR TALKING ABOUT, AND I WILL STAY THAT PLANNED PARENTHOOD WILL CONTINUE TO PROVIDE CARE IN KENTUCKY.

EK.

WE CANNOT PROVIDE ABORTION CARE BECAUSE IT IS NOW ILLEGAL IN KENTUCKY.

>> LET'S MOVE ON 2 WE WILL BE PROVIDING NAVIGATION.

>> THIS QUESTION FROM BRENDA ROSEN WHO IS EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE KENTUCKY CHAPTER OF THE NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF SOCIAL WORKERS ASKS THIS QUESTION OR SHE SAYS THIS STATEMENT WRAPPED INSIDE OF IT, THERE'S AN INCREASE IN DOMESTIC THAT HAS BEEN STUDER BY THE PANDEMIC WOMEN HAVE NO ABILITY TO LEAVE THEIR ABUSER ONCE PRESENTATION ISERS FOD.

IS THERE CONSENT IN THE KENTUCKY GENERAL ASSEMBLY TO GRANT CUSTODY RIGHTS TO RAPISTS?

REPRESENTATIVE WAS HAS THERE BEEN DISCUSSION IN HOUSE GOP CAUCUS ABOUT PROVIDING CUSTODY RIGHTS TO RAPE INSIST.

>> NOT TO MY KNOWLEDGE.

NOT AT ALL.

AND THEN I GO BACK AGAIN THE TO FUNDING AND SUPPORT THAT WE PROVIDED FOR COALITION AGAINST DOMESTIC VIOLENCE.

WE KNEW THAT WITH THE LOCKDOWN AND WITH THE COVID PANDEMIC THAT THIS WAS EXACTLY ONE OF THE THINGS THAT COULD POTENTIALLY HAPPEN, THE INCREASE IN DOMESTIC VIOLENCE, BASED UPON WE ALREADY KNOW WHAT THE PATTERNS ARE, ESPECIALLY WHENEVER CHILDREN AREN'T IN SCHOOLS AND CAN ACTUALLY TALK ABOUT CIRCUMSTANCES AND CAN TALK ABOUT EVENTS THAT ARE HAPPENING AT HOME, THAT POTENTIALLY THIS COULD OCCUR WE'RE NOT AT ALL SURPRISED.

WE'RE DEEPLY SADDENED BY AND IT WILL CONTINUE TO SUPPORT THE DOMESTIC VIOLENCE.

>> THERE ARE SEVERAL QUESTIONS WE WANT TO GET IN HERE TONIGHT.

WE THANK ALL OF YOU FOR YOUR INTEREST IN IN TOPIC.

THIS COMES FROM MARK.

THE REACTION OF THE CORPORATE WORLD HAS BEEN SWIFT IS TO SUPPORT EMPLOYEES WHERE BAGS.

KROEGER, DICK'S, AND OTHER NATIONAL COMPANIES HAVE QUICKLY A TREATED GREED TO PROVIDE FINANCIAL FOR ABORTION.

HAS ANYONE CONSIDERED THE ECONOMIC IMPACT OF KENTUCKY'S TRIGGER BILL?

WILL COMPANIES LEAVE?

>> WE'VE SEEN TIME AND AGAIN THAT REGRESSIVE ANTI-ABORTION RIGHTS POLICIES, ANTI-LGBTQ POLICIES HAVE RECEIVED THAT SWIFT RESPONSE FROM LARGE CORPORATIONS, AND STOW THE LEGISLATURE IS TRYING TO DO TWO THINGS.

IT'S TRYING TO HAVE REALLY EXTREME SOCIAL POLICIES THAT ARE GOING TO SCARE THESE COMPANIES AWAY WHILE AT THE SAME TIME TRYING TO ATTRACT THESE COMPANIES, AND IT'S NOT GOING TO BE SUCCESSFUL.

MS. WUCHNER MADE THE POINT THAT ABORTION HAS BEEN COMMON IN KENTUCKY.

I WANT TO BUBBLE DOWN ON THAT.

ABORTION IS A WIDELY USED OPTION AND NOW THAT IT'S GONE FOR FAMILIES, IT'S GOING TO CREATE CHAOS AND CRISIS-FOR-THEM AND WHAT ARE THEY GOING TO DO?

MOST OF US KNOW AND LOVE A WOMAN WHOSE HAD AN ABORTION.

YOU TALKED ABOUT MISSING CHILDREN.

I KNOW MANY, MANY CHILDREN WHO EXIST, HAPPY CHILDREN IN HAPPY FAMILIES THAT WERE SHAPED BY ABORTION.

THEY EXIST BECAUSE OF ABORTION.

THE CHILDREN THAT WE LOVE, MANY OF OF THEM WILL GROW UP TO HAVE DIFFICULT PREGNANCIES OR FETAL ANOMALIES AND THEY WILL NEED ABORTION.

THERE IS A REASON THAT MOST ABORTIONS ARE PERFORMED ON PEOPLE WHO ARE ALREADY MOTHERS.

IT'S NOT A DECISION WE TAKE LIGHTLY, AND WE KNOW WHAT WE ARE DOING.

>> THIS QUESTION -- GO AHEAD.

>> YOU TALKED ABOUT THE EMPLOYERS.

I KNOW AMAZON, MANY OF THEM ARE OFFERING MONEY FOR THEM TO GO OUT OF STATE.

I USED TO BE IN ORDER OF EMPLOYMENT HEALTH.

LOST TIME FOR AN EMPLOYER IS VITAL, SO KEEPING EMPLOYERS AT WORK, KEEPING THE EMPLOYEES, EXCUSE HE, HE AT WORK IS VERY IMPORTANT.

A PREGNANCY COSTS LOST TIME.

HAVING CHILDREN ARE EXPENSIVE FOR MATERNAL CHILD THE BENEFITS FOR INSURANCE.

MATERNAL CHILD LEAVE IS EXPENSIVE IF YOU HAVE A CHILD.

SOMETIMES IT'S IN THE BEST INTERESTS TO MAKE SURE THAT OFFERING TO PAY FOR THAT WOMAN SADLY TO GO OUT OF STATE TO HAVE AN ABORTION MAY ALSO REDUCE THEIR LOST TIME AND WORK TIME.

IT'S A REALITY.

>> I'D LIKE TO TALK ABOUT ANOTHER ISSUE WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT EMPLOYERS.

IT'S ESTIMATED THAT 400 MILLION YOUTH ARE INVOLVED IN HUMAN TRAFFICKING, AND THERE I WAS GECHT CORRELATION BETWEEN YOUTH INVOLVED IN HUMAN TRAFFICKING AND ABORTION.

AND SO 23 NEED TO AGAIN, I'M TALKING ABOUT COLLECTIVELY, WE NEED TO WORK ON ISSUES LIKE HUMAN TRAFFICKING AND STOP HUMAN TRAFFICKING AND TO CONTINUE TO SUPPORT WOMEN AND THEIR FAMILIES AND NOT LOOK FOR ANOTHER WAY JUST TO ABUSE WOMEN.

>> MAY I ASK A QUESTION?

HOW MUCH IS AN ABORTION A PLANNED PARENTHOOD?

WHAT IS THE COST OF AN ABORTION HERE IN KENTUCKY?

>> SO THE QUESTION WAS ASKED, MS. WIDER, ABOUT THE COST OF AN ABORTION.

WHAT WAS THE COST TO HAVE AN ABORTION?

VIA PLANNED PARENTHOOD.

>> IT STARTED AT ABOUT $900.

>> IS THAT TYPICAL WITH OTHER PROVIDERS AS WELL?

>> I CAN'T SPEAK FOR OTHER PROVIDERS OR OTHER STATES.

THERE ARE DIFFERENT THINGS THAT COME INTO PLAY.

BUT I KNOW THAT THIS IS -- THE COST IS A BARRIER TO SO MANY PEOPLE, AND HAVING THOSE EMPLOYERS STEPPING UP AND SUPPORTING THEIR EMPLOYEES IS VITAL BECAUSE SO MANY INSURANCES DO NOT COVER ABORTION, AND NOW WITH THE STATES NOT, YOU KNOW, BANNING ABORTION, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO TRAVEL.

THEIR CENTRAL TO ABORTIONS GOING TO BE COMPOUNDED.

BUT I THINK THAT THIS MISSES SOMETHING AS WELL.

THEY ARE LUCKY ENOUGH TO HAVE JOBS THAT WILL SUPPORT THEM TO GET AN ABORTION THAT WILL SUPPORT THEM FINANCIALLY.

THIS LEAVES THOSE THAT ARE MOST MARGINALIZED AND MOST VULNERABLE WITHOUT ACCESS TO CARE.

SO THERE ARE PEOPLE IN KENTUCKY WHO WILL NOT HAVE THOSE EMPLOYERS, WHO WILL BE STRUGGLING TO FIND A WAY TO GET TO ILLINOIS, STRUGGLING TO FIND DAYCARE, STRUGGLING TO FIND GAS MONEY, AND THAT IS UNACCEPTABLE.

THOSE ON THE MARGINS CONTINUE TO GET LEFT OUT.

AND THEY ARE THE ONES WITHOUT PROVIDERS IN THEIR COMMUNITIES.

THEY ARE THE ONES WHO IN KENTUCKY, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT OTHER ISSUES, WE HAVE THE SEVENTH HIGHEST CERVICAL CANCER MORTALITY RATE.

ONE OF THE MOST HIGHLIGHT TREATED CANCERS AND YET PEOPLE AREN'T GETTING ROUTINE DARE.

SO WHEN I TALK ABOUT THE CARE THAT PLANNED PARENTHOOD GIVES, IT IS VITAL AND IT IS SAVES KENTUCKIANS EVERY DAY.

BUT SO MANY PEOPLE CAN'T EVEN GET TO US BECAUSE THERE'S NOT ENOUGH PROVIDERS AND ACCESS TO LOUISVILLE AND LEXINGTON IS HARD FOR THOSE IN RURAL COMMUNITIES.

SO YOUR BANS ARE GOING TO FURTHER, FURTHER COMPOUND PUSHING THOSE PEOPLE WHO CAN'T GET THERE TO THE MARGES.

>> IS PART OF THAT WOMAN'S CARE WHEN SHE WOULD COME IN SEEKING AN ABORTION TO GET A PAP SMEAR IN THAT GYNECOLOGICAL SEPARATE?

>> YES.

WE DO FULL SERVICE HAD.

WE TALK TO THEM WHEN THEY WERE SEEN LAST WITH A PROVIDER.

WE GET THEM SITUATED WITH BIRTH CONTROL, TALK TO THEM ABOUT WHAT NECESSITY WANT TO THEY WANT TO DO.

WE GIVE THEM AGENCY OVER THE DECISIONS THEY TAKE NEXT AND EMPOWER THEM TO LEAVE US KNOWING THAT THEY HAVE DECISIONS AND KNOWING HOW TO ADVOCATE FOR THEIR WHOLE LIVES, INCLUDING HOW TO ACCESS BIRTH CONTROL, HOW TO ACCESS CONTRACEPTION OUTSIDE OF PLANNED PARENTHOOD, TRYING TO GET THEM CONNECTED TO PROVIDERS.

WE SCREEN THEM FOR CERVICAL CANCER SCREENINGS.

WE DO BREAST EXAMS, TESTICULAR CARNEY SCREENINGS.

WE HAVE A FULL SERVICE HEALTH CENTER HERE, AND WE MAKE SURE ALL OF OUR PATIENTS LEAVE US EQUIPPED FOR GOING BACK INTO THEIR COMMUNITIES WITH MORE KNOWLEDGE THAN WHEN THEY CAME IN.

>> SO THIS QUESTION FROM A VIEWER.

WILL THE ABORTION RESTRICTION APPLY TO USING IUD DOLLARS?

COPPER IUDs BLOG IMPLANTATION BUT NOT FERTILIZATION.

A WOMAN WOULD BE FORCED TO UNDERGO A PAINFUL REMOVAL AGAINST HER CONSENT.

>> THE ANSWER IS NO IT DOES NO COVER CONTRACEPTION AT ALL.

ONE OF THE THINGS I WANT TO GO BACK TO GOING BACK TO THESE EMPLOYERS THAT ARE PAYING FOR THEIR EMPLOYEES TO HAVE ABORTIONS, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WOULD ASK THEM TO DO AS PO TOADS TO PAYING FOR THESE ABORTIONS, FOR, AS OOH POSED, FOR THEM TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE SERVERS THAT THEY'RE PROVIDING FOR THE WOMEN AND THE FAMILIES AND TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE PROVIDING MATERNAL CARE AND POST MATERNAL CARE AS OPPOSED TO ELIMINATING POTENTIAL WORKFORCE.

>> SO THIS QUESTION -- >> WE TALK ABOUT THE COST OF HAVING AN ABORTION.

I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THES COULD OF HAVING A CHILD.

IT'S IMMENSE.

A DELIVERY IS MAYBE 5,000 BUCKS, VARY WILDLY.

THE COAST OF RAISING A CHILD TO 18 IS $22,323,000.

THAT'S FROM THE U.S. DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE.

WHAT I THOUGHT WAS THE MOST PERNICIOUS PIECE OF HOUSE BILL 3 WHICH WAS REPRESENTATIVE TATE'S ANTI-ABORTION BILL THIS YEAR WAS THE PART ABOUT TEENAGE GIRLS WHO WERE SEEKING PERMISSION TO GET ABORTION WITHOUT PARENTAL CONSENT.

THE COURT SAID IN THE BEST INTERESTS OF THAT MINOR DID NOT CONSIDER THE FINANCIAL IMPLICATIONS OR THE FINANCIAL IMPACT OF THEM HAVING A CHILD, AND THIS IS SOMETHING WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GRAPPLE WITH.

>> LET'S TALK ABOUT THAT TOO.

WHEN WE'VE GOT MINORS THAT ARE HAVING AN ABORTION.

AND YOU'RE END URGE ENCOURAGING MINORS TO HAVE AN ABORTION WITHOUT PARENTAL CONSENT.

RIGHT NOW WE DON'T EVEN WANT OUR CHILDREN TO HAVE AN ASPIRIN IN THE SCHOOL SYSTEM WITHOUT THEIR PARENTAL CONSENT.

WE'RE ADVOCATING FOR CHILDREN TO HAVE AN ABORTION WITHOUT A PARENT OR THE -- A MATURE PERSON IN THE ROOM.

SO I THINK THAT THIS IS ABSOLUTELY NOT NORMAL, AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THIS PROVISION REQUIRED WAS THAT THESE PEOPLE WILL NOT BEING COERCED OR FORCED FINANCIALLY TO HAVE AN ABORTION GOING BACK TO MY POINT ABOUT -- >> SO THIS QUESTION ARE FOR REPRESENTATIVE TAIT.

WILL YOU AGREE TO INTRODUCE LEGISLATION IN 2023 TO REQUIRE MEN TO PAY CHILD SUPPORT FROM CONCEPTION UNTIL AGE 18 FOR UNWANTED PREGNANCIES?

>> I THINK WE HAVE A LOT OF PROVISIONS THAT ARE ALREADY ON THE BOOKS ABOUT PARENTS PAYING CHILD SUPPORT.

SO I HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT THAT BUT I'M NOT REALLY SURE THAT WE DON'T HAVE SOME THAT ARE ADEQUATELY THERE.

>> MS. WIDER, I'LL HAVE YOU JUMP IN.

WE HAVE THREE MINUTES.

GO AHEAD.

>> I THINK IT'S REALLY INTERESTING WHEN WE TALK ABOUT COERCION.

THERE IS NO COERCION OVER YOUTH TO GET AN ABORTION.

I WANT -- WHEN YOU COME TO PLANNED PARENTHOOD.

BUT WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT YOUTH SEEKING JUDICIAL BYPASS, THEY ARE SEEKING JUDICIAL BYPASS FOR A REASON.

AND WHEN THEY CREATED THESE NEW HURDLES FOR THEM TO JUMP THROUGH, THEY ARE MAKING IT IS HARDER FOR THEM TO LEAVE DANGEROUS SITUATIONS TO ACCESS CARE THAT THEY NEED.

AND SO WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT COERCION, LIKE THAT'S ON YOU RIGHT NOW BECAUSE YOU'RE TAKING AWAY AND MAKING IT HARDER FOR THEM TO ACCESS CARE THAT THEY NEED IN POTENTIALLY DANGEROUS SITUATIONS.

>> WHAT WE'RE DOING IS ABORTION IS THE ONLY HEALTH CARE -- IF YOU WANT TO CALL IT HEALTH CARE -- IT'S THE ONLY HEALTH CARE THAT I KNOW OF WHERE 50% OF THE PATIENTS DIE.

ADDIA TALKED ABOUT IN HEALTH CARE THAT BOTH THE MOTHER AND THE CHILD ARE CONSIDERED TO BE PATIENTS.

AND WITH AN ABORTION, AT LEAST ONE OF THEM IS GOING TO DIE, AND SOMETIMES BOTH OF THEM DIE.

SO IT'S THE ONLY HEALTH CARE THAT I KNOW OF WHERE 50% OF THE PATIENTS DIE, AND I THINK THAT HAS TO BE ACKNOWLEDGED.

>> MS. WEEDSER I WANT TO ASK YOU QUICKLY AND I NEED A 30 SECOND ANSWER HERE.

WE KNOW THAT YOU FILED THIS LAWSUIT BUT THERE'S ALSO A CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT THAT'S GOING TO BE ON THE BALLOT IN KENTUCKY IN NOVEMBER THAT WOULD SAY THERE IS NO CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT IN THE STATE TOAR AN ABORTION AND THERE COULD NOT BE ANY FUNDING FOR IT.

SO IF YOU'RE NOT SUCCESSFUL WITH THIS LAWSUIT, COME NOVEMBER THAT MAY ALSO BE A SECOND ROUND AT DEFEAT IF KENTUCKIANS VOTE THAT AMENDMENT.

>> I DON'T EXPECT DEFEAT EITHER BAY.

EXPECT TO US GET A TRO, MAYBE AS SOON AS TOMORROW, AND WE ARE GOING TO BE CHANGE THE NARRATIVE ON ABORTION WHEN WE WIN AT THE BALLOT, WHEN PEOPLE VOTE NO ON AMENDMENT 2, AND THEN I REALLY HOPE WE CAN HAVE A BETTER CONVERSATION ABOUT WHAT KENTUCKIANS REALLY WANT WHEN IT COMES TO REPRODUCTIVE HEALTH CARE BECAUSE IT IS NOT WHAT'S COMING.

OUT OF FRANKFORT.

>> ALL RIGHT.

20 SECOND.

>> I WANT TO THANK YOU FIRST OF ALL.

I THINK THE DIFFERENCE THAT WE ALL HAVE HERE, AND I KEEP HEARING IS THE VALUE OF A HUMAN LIFE.

CAN YOU PUT A PRICE ON IT?

WE TALK ABOUT EDUCATION, CHILD CARE AND ALL OF THOUGH PIECES, BUT DO YOU SAY THAT LIFE DOESN'T EXIST BECAUSE IT COSTS TO EXIST?

AND WE STERILIZE THE WORD ABORTION AND WE FORGET IT IS A PROCEDURE THAT TAKES THE LIFE OF ANOTHER HUMAN BEING.

>> SO I'LL HAVE TO LEAVE IT THERE.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

MS. WEIRD THERE IN BEAUTIFUL, 32 TO OUR PANELISTS IN ELECTRICS WE FRESH YOUR TIME ON THIS VERY IMPORTANT TOPIC AND WE HOPE THAT OUR AUDIENCE ALSO JOINED THIS CONVERSATION AND LEARNED FROM IT.

THAT'S WHAT WE DO HERE IS HOPE TO ENLIGHTEN YOU IN A SWIVEL.

WE WANT YOU TO JOIN US EVERY WEEK NIGHT AT.

WHERE WE TALK ABOUT THIS ISSUE AND SO MUCH MORE.

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